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Discussion for Today

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This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025_January_4


January 4

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NEW NOMINATIONS

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Category:Novels by theme

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Nominator's rationale: See longer explanation at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Games#"Theme"_category_problem_started_by_Category:Games_by_genre_or_theme. This is the least controversial (if anything is). It is subcat to Category:Fiction books by topic, there is no Category:Themes or 'by themes' anywhere except in few instances I pointed out in the linked analysis; all themes should be rename to topics since we have a cat tree for topics, not themes. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • PS. I did not notice the target already exists. Well, merge instead of renaming then, I guess. Duplicate concept. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just delete, most subcategories are already in Category:Novels about interpersonal relationships which is a subcategory of Category:Novels by topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'm looking at the two category trees, and at Theme (narrative), and I'm wondering if perhaps we should be looking at a reverse merge. I agree that we don't need both trees. I think the prevailing term for these is theme, rather than topic. And maybe that will help remove the inaccurate usage of "x and genre" named categories as well. All that said, having Works with X themes opens up to really broad categories, because, using novels as an example, the "theme" could be be due to a mere sentence, a paragraph, a chapter, or throughout the book. I'm not sure how to best resolve that. The difficulty, of course is that we're at the whim of the author's free usage of whatever themes they may decide to toss into a work, regardless of whether it furthers the overall plot (or narrative structure), or not. It would be nice if we could standardize all of the subcats into Works about X. At least that makes it (sort of) clear that it's about the the entire work than merely parts of it. Anyone else have any thoughts on these? Maybe we can come up with a standard for going forward. - jc37 21:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jc37 Are you suggesting we should rename everything in Category:Works by topic to Category:Works by theme? That would be much more work than what I suggested in the linked discussion (where I propose to rename the very few theme categories to topic categories). Might be best to discuss it there? I don't have a preference, to be honest, except I want to see standardized terminology, and it seems theme and topic mean the same thing here. But yes, I see your point that a work can have one topic but more than one theme, but is it really that clear? I am pretty sure many entities are categorized as having multiple themes. Ex. Wolfenstein 3D has cats related to 'Adolf Hitler', 'Experimental medical treatments', 'WW2' and 'Nazi Germany'. Those all seem like topics/themes to me (although the category trees are somewhat convoluted...). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment, I am ok with either topic or theme, it's more important that the subcategories are consistently called "about". Marcocapelle (talk) 10:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure whether topic or theme is better, both have their plusses and minuses. So for now, I'll agree with the above that that's probably a bigger discussion, and so, for now, supporting these heading to the already-existing topic tree. And yes, definitely, the subcats should be standardized to "Works about X" - so in this case, "Novels about X". - jc37 23:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Clear consensus for a change; though a reminder that subcategories are currently outside the scope of this discussion. (If you want to discuss them, please tag 'em.) Should the change be in the form of deleting or merging?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Baseball players from Fayette County, Texas

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Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 10:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Namiba's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:22, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Foreign civilians killed in the Syrian civil war

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Nominator's rationale: No need to distinguish that they're "Foreign civilians", furthermore, many of these people were journalists, which already exists as a catregory Category:Journalists killed while covering the Syrian civil war. SMasonGarrison 04:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Foreign military personnel killed in the Syrian civil war

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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between being non-syrian, being in the military, and participating in the civil war. It would just be better to actually categorize these people by their nationality. SMasonGarrison 04:22, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Podujevo

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Nominator's rationale: I do not see the difference between these two cartegories. Robby (talk) 23:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not everything has been tagged for a week; if there are no objections we should be all set to process the nomination :)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Beaches of Oceania

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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 beach article each. Merge per WP:NARROW. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sub-categories of Category:People from Tahiti

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Nominator's rationale: People from X categories are not needed for small communes on the island of Tahiti. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Airports in Tahiti

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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 airport article for the island of Tahiti. Merge per WP:NARROW. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:29, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1727 establishments in Mongolia

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Nominator's rationale: There is only 1 article in this tree. Merge/delete per WP:NARROW. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1765 in Burma

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Nominator's rationale: All 3 articles are of wars or expeditions that listed multiple years in the 1760s. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1741 establishments in Greenland

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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 article in this tree. Merge/delete –Aidan721 (talk) 00:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Canadian federal electoral districts disestablished in 2013

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Nominator's rationale: See previous nomination, except this time for the disestablishment of electoral districts, here those which last were represented in 2015. Epluribusunumyall (talk) 00:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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