Talk:Abu Bakr

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Abu Bakr article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3: 3 months

Biography: Royalty and Nobility

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography
	This article is supported by WikiProject Royalty and Nobility.

Islam: Hadith / Muslim history / Muslim scholars / Salaf / Sunni Islam Top‑importance

	Islam portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Islam, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Islam-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IslamWikipedia:WikiProject IslamTemplate:WikiProject IslamIslam-related
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the Hadith task force (assessed as Top-importance).
	This article is supported by the Muslim history task force (assessed as High-importance).
	This article is supported by the Muslim scholars task force (assessed as High-importance).
	This article is supported by the Salaf task force (assessed as Top-importance).
	This article is supported by the Sunni Islam task force (assessed as Top-importance).

Middle Ages High‑importance

	Middle Ages portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Middle Ages, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Middle Ages on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Middle AgesWikipedia:WikiProject Middle AgesTemplate:WikiProject Middle AgesMiddle Ages
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Arab world Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Arab world, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Arab world on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Arab worldWikipedia:WikiProject Arab worldTemplate:WikiProject Arab worldArab world
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Religion Top‑importance

	Religion portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Religion, a project to improve Wikipedia's articles on Religion-related subjects. Please participate by editing the article, and help us assess and improve articles to good and 1.0 standards, or visit the wikiproject page for more details.ReligionWikipedia:WikiProject ReligionTemplate:WikiProject ReligionReligion
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

Abu Bakr's birth name

Which is the birth name of Abu Bakr, Abd Allah or Abd Al Ka'bah? MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 00:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad(peace be upon him)

In your article in many places you did not wright the word (peace be upon him) with the name of the Prophet(peace be upon him) and it is a disrespect of the Prophet, it is compulsory in Islam to pray for the Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) when using there name.So,it is a request that you fix this mistake. 121.91.60.54 (talk) 05:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but Wikipedia represents a variety of views, including those that do not believe in Islam, and we are required to present articles from a neutral point of view. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 05:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2024

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

The last paragraph of first section "Sunni Muslims revere Abu Bakr as the first of the rightly-guided caliphs and the greatest individual after the prophets and messengers. Shia tradition considers Abu Bakr an usurper of the caliphate and an enemy of the ahl al-bayt." is proposed to be shifted at the top introduction paragraph to start the introduction by mentioning opinion of different sects, and not by one sect. Dr. Ilham Zaidi (talk) 06:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. PianoDan (talk) 23:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abu Bakr's love and respect for Ahle Bayt

This thread is dedicated to discussing the edit on Abu Bakr's relationship with Ahle Bayt, which was reverted by @Albertatiran The purpose of this discussion is to examine the accuracy and relevance of the information and come to a consensus Umayyad-387 (talk) 16:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Primary sources are not reliable for this type of information, nor is a technically secondary source like the sixteenth-century Islamic scholar Mulla Ali Qari.

What we basically need is a modern reliable academic source conforming to WP:SCHOLARSHIP, in order to establish that the information is WP:DUE to include here. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 16:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i had added three references from Tirmizi, which is considered a verified book of Hadiths. Notably, there are already numerous references on Abu Bakr's page from Tirmizi, Sunan Abu Dawood, Tabaqat Ibn Saad, and other Hadith books. I'm unclear as to why the Tirmizi reference is being rejected now.

if Wikipedia no longer wishes for users to add new information, i will refrain from editing the page further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Umayyad-387 (talk • contribs) 19:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I've explained to you before, hadiths like those from al-Tirmidhi, as well as any type of religious commentary on these hadiths, are primary sources as far as Wikipedia is concerned. The reason why editors should not use primary sources for anything that involves interpretation is that Wikipedia cannot allow its editors to post their own non-expert, non-scholarly, and often non-independent (i.e. religiously motivated) points of view on Wikipedia. Instead, as an encyclopedia Wikipedia needs to represent the points of view of modern academic secular scholarship.

It is true that this article and many others do contain information based purely on primary sources like you mention. If you wish, you can remove some of that information where appropriate, citing the WP:NOR policy in your edit summary. Eventually all original researched information like that should be removed from Wikipedia, although ideally the information should be replaced by information based on modern academic secondary sources. One thing you should not do, as you also did on Umar, is to add information purely based on primary sources. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 21:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]